it's going to be a very, very interesting debate, and if you remember florida, mitt romney went into florida, he was not looking good, and he did two debates where he just absolutely crushed it, and it's interesting. i think mitt romney will do very well. i think the president will do very well. it will be very interesting. >> sometimes i wonder about the difference between mitt romney, the man, and mitt romney and the campaign, and his handlers, a lot of consultants around, i think, because people have said on "60 minutes" he was so, seemed so sensible and so smart. i haven't seen him around much for the past three months. >> he's going to get tough and not going to be mitt, he'll have a bad resolution. the fact is, he is a very capable guy, a very smart guy. can he be a very tough guy and he's also got heart. >> when you let the press, when you let the media, donald, define him for three or four months and you never really see him out there, i think that was -- when he's on his own and when you can hear him talk and when they can't cut, "i like to fire people" before he said that i